Tiers. Whats your opinion?

Tom8er wrote:I still think if Your are around the same skill level it wouldn't matter if tier's exist or not. Unless there huge like in Dragon ball z SSJ4 Goku can't lost to Master Roshi No matter the skill level of opponents. But I can still see how people might argue this.

Witchking_of_Angmar wrote:Sorry, but this topic fails, for a simple reason. tiers exist, and they are true. This is a fact. Ravioli explained some of it. Also, what people must remember, is that in close skill battles, it's matchups and skill at the matchups that counts, not tiers.

Equally skilled players: Marth vs. Peach. Peach and Marth are both high on the tier list.

Now, you have a few scenarios:

1)Neither knows anything about the matchup, so the match will probably be close, as they are not playing the matchup correctly
2)Peach knows the matchup (but marth doesn't), and abuses her advantages, and wins the match.
3)Marth knows the matchup (but peach doesn't), and abuses his advantages, and rapes her hard
4) They both know the matchup, and since Marth has a huge advantage in it, he wins.

So when deciding who has a better chance of winning, you have to take into account the overall skill, skill at things required by the matchup, and knowing the matchup/being able to play it well. Tiers don't come in anywhere. It's all matchups, people. Tiers are an overall ranking method, but tehy don't determines scenarios like the above.

Ben111 wrote:

Tom8er wrote:I still think if Your are around the same skill level it wouldn't matter if tier's exist or not. Unless there huge like in Dragon ball z SSJ4 Goku can't lost to Master Roshi No matter the skill level of opponents. But I can still see how people might argue this.

That's not true! I beat Goku as Master Roshi just a few days ago! XD

....But I'll admit, it is rather impossible.

Thirdkoopa wrote:

Witchking_of_Angmar wrote:Sorry, but this topic fails, for a simple reason. tiers exist, and they are true. This is a fact. Ravioli explained some of it. Also, what people must remember, is that in close skill battles, it's matchups and skill at the matchups that counts, not tiers.

Equally skilled players: Marth vs. Peach. Peach and Marth are both high on the tier list.

Now, you have a few scenarios:

1)Neither knows anything about the matchup, so the match will probably be close, as they are not playing the matchup correctly
2)Peach knows the matchup (but marth doesn't), and abuses her advantages, and wins the match.
3)Marth knows the matchup (but peach doesn't), and abuses his advantages, and rapes her hard
4) They both know the matchup, and since Marth has a huge advantage in it, he wins.

So when deciding who has a better chance of winning, you have to take into account the overall skill, skill at things required by the matchup, and knowing the matchup/being able to play it well. Tiers don't come in anywhere. It's all matchups, people. Tiers are an overall ranking method, but tehy don't determines scenarios like the above.

Actually it really depends on who knows what tiers are and not, Fact is that here are a lot of Smash Players who have no clue whatsoever that we talk about smash this much :p So chances are that a lot of them won't know about it, It more goes around competitve players, They exist for sure but question is if you know about them or not.

Chuff wrote:

Thirdkoopa wrote:

Witchking_of_Angmar wrote:Sorry, but this topic fails, for a simple reason. tiers exist, and they are true. This is a fact. Ravioli explained some of it. Also, what people must remember, is that in close skill battles, it's matchups and skill at the matchups that counts, not tiers.

Equally skilled players: Marth vs. Peach. Peach and Marth are both high on the tier list.

Now, you have a few scenarios:

1)Neither knows anything about the matchup, so the match will probably be close, as they are not playing the matchup correctly
2)Peach knows the matchup (but marth doesn't), and abuses her advantages, and wins the match.
3)Marth knows the matchup (but peach doesn't), and abuses his advantages, and rapes her hard
4) They both know the matchup, and since Marth has a huge advantage in it, he wins.

So when deciding who has a better chance of winning, you have to take into account the overall skill, skill at things required by the matchup, and knowing the matchup/being able to play it well. Tiers don't come in anywhere. It's all matchups, people. Tiers are an overall ranking method, but tehy don't determines scenarios like the above.

Actually it really depends on who knows what tiers are and not, Fact is that here are a lot of Smash Players who have no clue whatsoever that we talk about smash this much :p So chances are that a lot of them won't know about it, It more goes around competitve players, They exist for sure but question is if you know about them or not.

Well yeah, the tiers are for players at the peak of the current metagame

Ben111 wrote:

Chuff wrote:

Thirdkoopa wrote:

Witchking_of_Angmar wrote:Sorry, but this topic fails, for a simple reason. tiers exist, and they are true. This is a fact. Ravioli explained some of it. Also, what people must remember, is that in close skill battles, it's matchups and skill at the matchups that counts, not tiers.

Equally skilled players: Marth vs. Peach. Peach and Marth are both high on the tier list.

Now, you have a few scenarios:

1)Neither knows anything about the matchup, so the match will probably be close, as they are not playing the matchup correctly
2)Peach knows the matchup (but marth doesn't), and abuses her advantages, and wins the match.
3)Marth knows the matchup (but peach doesn't), and abuses his advantages, and rapes her hard
4) They both know the matchup, and since Marth has a huge advantage in it, he wins.

So when deciding who has a better chance of winning, you have to take into account the overall skill, skill at things required by the matchup, and knowing the matchup/being able to play it well. Tiers don't come in anywhere. It's all matchups, people. Tiers are an overall ranking method, but tehy don't determines scenarios like the above.

Actually it really depends on who knows what tiers are and not, Fact is that here are a lot of Smash Players who have no clue whatsoever that we talk about smash this much :p So chances are that a lot of them won't know about it, It more goes around competitve players, They exist for sure but question is if you know about them or not.

Well yeah, the tiers are for players at the peak of the current metagame

Tiers are for people who can't decide who to play.

"guuhhh.... i dunno who to pick. whos teh best? google says tat fox rulz. im gonu yooz him!"

Ben111 wrote:

Chuff wrote:

Thirdkoopa wrote:

Witchking_of_Angmar wrote:Sorry, but this topic fails, for a simple reason. tiers exist, and they are true. This is a fact. Ravioli explained some of it. Also, what people must remember, is that in close skill battles, it's matchups and skill at the matchups that counts, not tiers.

Equally skilled players: Marth vs. Peach. Peach and Marth are both high on the tier list.

Now, you have a few scenarios:

1)Neither knows anything about the matchup, so the match will probably be close, as they are not playing the matchup correctly
2)Peach knows the matchup (but marth doesn't), and abuses her advantages, and wins the match.
3)Marth knows the matchup (but peach doesn't), and abuses his advantages, and rapes her hard
4) They both know the matchup, and since Marth has a huge advantage in it, he wins.

So when deciding who has a better chance of winning, you have to take into account the overall skill, skill at things required by the matchup, and knowing the matchup/being able to play it well. Tiers don't come in anywhere. It's all matchups, people. Tiers are an overall ranking method, but tehy don't determines scenarios like the above.

Actually it really depends on who knows what tiers are and not, Fact is that here are a lot of Smash Players who have no clue whatsoever that we talk about smash this much :p So chances are that a lot of them won't know about it, It more goes around competitve players, They exist for sure but question is if you know about them or not.

Well yeah, the tiers are for players at the peak of the current metagame

Tiers are for people who can't decide who to play.

"guuhhh.... i dunno who to pick. whos teh best? google says tat fox rulz. im gonu yooz him!"

Chuff wrote:

Ben111 wrote:

Chuff wrote:

Thirdkoopa wrote:

Witchking_of_Angmar wrote:Sorry, but this topic fails, for a simple reason. tiers exist, and they are true. This is a fact. Ravioli explained some of it. Also, what people must remember, is that in close skill battles, it's matchups and skill at the matchups that counts, not tiers.

Equally skilled players: Marth vs. Peach. Peach and Marth are both high on the tier list.

Now, you have a few scenarios:

1)Neither knows anything about the matchup, so the match will probably be close, as they are not playing the matchup correctly
2)Peach knows the matchup (but marth doesn't), and abuses her advantages, and wins the match.
3)Marth knows the matchup (but peach doesn't), and abuses his advantages, and rapes her hard
4) They both know the matchup, and since Marth has a huge advantage in it, he wins.

So when deciding who has a better chance of winning, you have to take into account the overall skill, skill at things required by the matchup, and knowing the matchup/being able to play it well. Tiers don't come in anywhere. It's all matchups, people. Tiers are an overall ranking method, but tehy don't determines scenarios like the above.

Actually it really depends on who knows what tiers are and not, Fact is that here are a lot of Smash Players who have no clue whatsoever that we talk about smash this much :p So chances are that a lot of them won't know about it, It more goes around competitve players, They exist for sure but question is if you know about them or not.

Well yeah, the tiers are for players at the peak of the current metagame

Tiers are for people who can't decide who to play.

"guuhhh.... i dunno who to pick. whos teh best? google says tat fox rulz. im gonu yooz him!"

No.

What I mean is that tiers only apply to players at the peak of the current metagame.

Fox isn't that good if you don't waveshine, shinespike, drillshine, shl, shffl, all these other things.

Ben111 wrote:

Chuff wrote:

Ben111 wrote:

Chuff wrote:

Thirdkoopa wrote:

Witchking_of_Angmar wrote:Sorry, but this topic fails, for a simple reason. tiers exist, and they are true. This is a fact. Ravioli explained some of it. Also, what people must remember, is that in close skill battles, it's matchups and skill at the matchups that counts, not tiers.

Equally skilled players: Marth vs. Peach. Peach and Marth are both high on the tier list.

Now, you have a few scenarios:

1)Neither knows anything about the matchup, so the match will probably be close, as they are not playing the matchup correctly
2)Peach knows the matchup (but marth doesn't), and abuses her advantages, and wins the match.
3)Marth knows the matchup (but peach doesn't), and abuses his advantages, and rapes her hard
4) They both know the matchup, and since Marth has a huge advantage in it, he wins.

So when deciding who has a better chance of winning, you have to take into account the overall skill, skill at things required by the matchup, and knowing the matchup/being able to play it well. Tiers don't come in anywhere. It's all matchups, people. Tiers are an overall ranking method, but tehy don't determines scenarios like the above.

Actually it really depends on who knows what tiers are and not, Fact is that here are a lot of Smash Players who have no clue whatsoever that we talk about smash this much :p So chances are that a lot of them won't know about it, It more goes around competitve players, They exist for sure but question is if you know about them or not.

Well yeah, the tiers are for players at the peak of the current metagame

Tiers are for people who can't decide who to play.

"guuhhh.... i dunno who to pick. whos teh best? google says tat fox rulz. im gonu yooz him!"

No.

What I mean is that tiers only apply to players at the peak of the current metagame.

Fox isn't that good if you don't waveshine, shinespike, drillshine, shl, shffl, all these other things.

Yeah. Otherwise, he's Low tier without his strong attacks. Infact, is Fox a lot weaker in Brawl since you can't do some of those techniques?